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Clerical Workers (APEX)
Biographical Material

This list indexes cassette tapes, transcripts and other material collected by Arthur Marsh and Victoria Ryan, and their Research Assistant, Sid Richards, in the course of research for Marsh and Ryan's study, 'The Clerks', (Malthouse P., 1997). The abbreviations, AM, SR and VR are used to indicate interviewers. Most of Sid Richards' interviews cannot be dated precisely but he was only employed in the early years of the research project, 1973/4. Some interviews are on more than one tape - e.g. the interview with Bernard Bagnari starts on tape 43 and finishes on tape 1, and this is indicated as 'tapes 43/1'. This file does not include letters to Arthur Marsh commenting on draft chapters of the study. These are in a separate file of correspondence concerning the publication itself.


Joint Discussions

Tape 56 (AM,SR) (18 Ap 74) + transcript Joint discussion with H.Walker, A. Godwin, D.Rhydderch, D.Currie

Transcript (AM,VR) (26 Jul 74) Joint discussion with A.Godwin, B.Bagnari, J.Stephen (no tape found)


Individuals

Allen, Albert Edward Photocopy from 'Clerk'
Armstrong, William John Notes
Arnot, Robin Page Transcript of interview, 11 Oct 74 (no tape found); Correspondence relating to him
Asbury, Sid Tapes 41/42 (SR); Notes from this interview and a subsequent interview by VR (for which no tape found) - summaries rather than transcripts


Bagnari, Bernard Tapes 43/1(AM, VR) + Transcript; Transcript of interview with SR (no tape found); on joint discussion 26 Jul 74; Notes
Barber, Revis Notes
Bartlett, Wilf (of COSA) Tape 51 (AM,VR) (17 Jan 77) + Transcript (with Tom Mantle)
Beamish, Olive Tape 2 (AM,VR) (27 Feb 75) + Transcript; applications for TUC Gold Badge
Boone, Charles Tapes 45/ 46 (AM,VR) (24 Mar 77) + transcript (joint interview with Fred Cole); 47/ 48 (SR) + transcript
Brown, George Holmes Notes
Burch, W. (Hull) Tapes 50/49(SR) + Transcript ; application for TUC Gold Badge


Chapman, Henry Tapes 51(AM) (20 Jan 77) + transcript; 52(SR) + transcript; Notes; application for CAWU General Secretaryship 1962
Chase, Thomas H. Application for TUC Gold Badge
Cheeseman, Alec Tapes 53/54(SR) + transcript
Citrine, Lord Transcript of interview (AM) 24 Jun 77 (no tape found)
Cole, Fred Tapes 45/46 (AM,VR) (24 Mar 77) + transcript (joint interview with Charles Boone; transcript filed under 'Boone')
Cole, Dame Margaret Tape 55 (AM,VR) (no transcript found)
Collins, Herbert John Application for TUC Gold Badge
Creaby, John (Sunderland) Tape 3(VR)(Jul 75) + two separate transcripts (one interview on Coles Crane dispute)
Currie, David (Glasgow) Tape 4(SR) + transcript; on tape 56 (joint discussion); Self supplied autobiography
Curzon, Stewart (Hull) Tape 49(SR) + transcript

Davy, R. (Doncaster) Tape 5(SR) (no transcript found)
Donkin, Fred Tape 58(SR) + transcript

Edwards, Ray Tape 59(SR) + transcript
Elger, William Notes
Elvin, George Tape 6(VR) + transcript
Elvin, Herbert Notes
Eveleigh, K. Tape 60(SR) + transcript

Fletcher, Ted Tape 59(SR) + transcript
Foord, John Tape 57(SR) + transcript

Gibson, Arthur Lummis Notes
Godwin, Dame Anne Tapes 7/8 (AM)(1 Mar 76 + transcripts); 9 (AM,VR) (26 Oct 76 + transcript); 10 (AM,VR) (3 Jun 75 + transcript); 47 (SR) + transcript; 62 (SR) + transcript ; on tape 56 (joint discussion); on joint discussion, 26 Jul 74 (not taped); transcript of interview, (AM,VR), 10 Nov 77 (no tape found); notes and letters; Press release of address to National Conference of Labour Women, 10/5/38
Grantham, Roy Tapes 11/12 (AM,VR) (29 Mar 76 + transcripts); 46/13/14 (AM,VR) (29 Mar 77 + transcripts); 65/15 (AM,VR) (26 Sep 77) (no transcript found); 16 (AM,VR) (10 Nov 77 + transcript); 17 (AM,VR) (13 Nov 78 - no transcript found); 63/ 64 (AM,VR) (23 Feb 76 + transcript); Notes
Green, Ernest Notes; photocopies of a series entitled 'Autobiographical sketches'
Green, Horace Tapes 18 (VR) (Jul 75) + transcript; 58(SR) + transcript
Griffiths, Ben Notes
Gristey, L. Tapes 66/53(SR) + transcript

Hall, A.B. Notes
Hallett, E.J. Tape 19 (no transcript found)
Hardcastle, Harry Tapes 20 (AM,VR) (8 May 75) + transcript; 67(SR) + transcript; Application for TUC Gold Badge
Hayward, Brian Tapes 68(SR) + transcript, 69(VR) (8 Feb 77) + transcript
Hazelip, Joseph Memoir from 'The Clerk'
Hill, Howard Tape 60(SR) + transcript
Hipkins, Amy Application for TUC Gold Badge
Howell, Lord Denis Tapes 22/23(AM,VR) (7 Ap 76 + transcript) ; extract from his autobiography, 'Made in Birmingham'; notes
Hughes, Fred Notes
Hughes, H.W. Notes

Latham, Charles Notes
Latham, William Tape 41(SR) + transcript; application for TUC Gold Badge; autobiographical notes
Leath, Frank Tapes 55/24 (AM,VR) (Ap 75) + transcript; 25/26(AM,VR) (2 Mar 78 + transcript), 48 (SR - no transcript of this interview which also involved David Rhydderch); 71/70 (VR) (1 Nov 76 + transcript); 72 (SR - no transcript found); Transcript of another interview with SR, involving David Rhydderch (no tape found); notes
Lloyd, J.Henry Notes

McKinlay, Edith Tape 27(VR) (18 Jun 75) + transcript; autobiographical letter
McKinlay, James Obituary
Mantle, Tom (of COSA) Tape 44(AM,VR) (17 Jan 77 + transcript), 51(AM,VR) (17 Jan 77)(with Wilf Bartlett; transcript filed under 'Bartlett')
Millar, J.P.M. Tape 62(SR) + transcript; autobiographical letter
Muir, Edwin (Edward Moore) Notes
Mulley, Fred Tape 61(SR) + transcript

Norrish, Harry Tape 73(SR) + transcript
Nutt, Harry Notes

Radclyffe, F.G.P. Application for TUC Gold Badge
Read, Walter J. Notes
Reedie, Jack Tapes 54/74 (SR) + transcript; also transcript of joint interview with Bruce Wallace, 30 May 75 (no tape found; transcript filed under 'Wallace')
Reid, Stewart Notes; copy of article in 'Northern Clerk', 1944/5
Rhydderch, David Tape 48(SR) + transcript; on Tape 56 (joint discussion); notes; see also under Frank Leath
Richardson, Horace Tapes 28/29(AM,VR) (1 Ap 76 + transcript); 52/30(SR) (Dec 73) + transcript; notes
Robertson, Tom Tape 74(SR) + transcript

Salt, George Application for TUC Gold Badge
Saunders, Graham (Wales) Tapes 43(AM,VR) (6 Mar 75) + transcript; 44(AM,VR) (17 Jan 77) + transcript, 53(SR) + transcript
Scouller, Robert E. Tape 42(SR) + transcript; application for TUC Gold Badge; notes
Simmons, E. Tape 57(SR) + transcript
Smart, Walter Tape 68(SR) + transcript; notes
Smith, K.B. (Rowntree Mackintosh) Tape 50(SR) + transcript
Smith, Reg (Barnsley) Tape 31(SR) (no transcript found); Application for TUC Gold Badge
Stephen, Jessie (Bristol) Tape 67(SR) + transcript; on joint discussion 26 Jul 74 (no tape); autobiographical notes; notes and obituaries
Stephen, Rita Tapes 61/32(SR) + transcript; notes
Stern, Sophie Tapes 47/48(SR) + transcript
Stott, Clement Notes
Stuart, C.R. Tape 74(SR) + transcript

Taylor, Thomas (Lord Taylor of Gryfe) Tape 33(AM,VR) (30 Jan 75) + transcript; notes
Thewliss, Hilda Tape 34 (AM,VR) (20 Jul 76)+ transcript
Thomas, George Transcript of interview, Nov 73 (no tape found, and no interviewer indicated)
Thomas, Tudor Tapes 35/65 (AM,VR) (26 Sep 77 - no transcript found) ; 36(AM,VR) (10 Nov 77 + transcript); 63/64 (AM,VR) (23 Feb 76 + transcript); 70/71(AM,VR) (15 Nov 76 + transcript); note of points made at interview, 10 Sep 79 (no tape found)

Vickers, Sid Tapes 37(AM,VR) (2 Dec 76 + transcript), 66 (SR)

Walkden, Alexander George Notes
Walker, Helene Tapes 38/39/69 (AM,VR)(18 Feb 77 + transcript) ; also on tape 56 (joint discussion); autobiographical notes; notes
Wallace, Bruce Tape 40 (SR) + transcript; also transcript of joint interview with Jack Reedie, 30 May 75 (no tape found, and interviewer not indicated)
Wallace, Jimmy Tape 54(SR) + transcript
Welch, Denise Application for TUC Gold Badge
Williams, Garfield (Ammanford) Tape 72(SR) (10 Jul 73) - no transcript found
Williams, W.H. (London) Tape 73(SR) + transcript
Woods, Fred Notes
Wroe, Frederick Notes

Correspondence relating to Arthur Marsh & Victoria Ryan's 'The Clerks'

Arthur Marsh was the lead author of this study of the clerical workers union, APEX, and its predecessors. The research was launched early in 1973 with the aid of a paid Research Assistant, Sid Richards, who in May 1974 left the project to take up a post with NALGO. Richards was replaced then by Marsh's co-author, Victoria Ryan, although there is some evidence that she may have already done work on the project before her involvement became official. Vicky Ryan was a former member of the union.

Publication was originally intended to be completed within three or four years. The plan was that this would be funded and sponsored by the union. The union certainly subsidised the early work. After a cordial and cooperative start, relationships between the researchers and the union broke down. This file gives some insight into the reasons for this, the consequence being that the book was not published until 1997, by which time APEX had been absorbed into the GMB. In the end the book was published by Arthur Marsh's own imprint, Malthouse Press, and did not have GMB sponsorship.

This file is organised in a single sequence in date order, with a small number of undated items at the end. It starts on 19th February 1973 with a letter to Arthur Marsh from Roy Grantham, the APEX General Secretary. There are many letters between Grantham and Marsh, and between Grantham and other officials of the union, including Area Secretaries. These are particularly prominent in the first two years of the research, at the time when interviews with present and past luminaries were taking place. A second phase of this kind of correspondence is evident from 1976 onwards, when draft chapters of the book were being circulated with a request for comments.

In the majority of cases, this communication was coordinated through the union's central office rather than directly with Marsh and Ryan. Retired officials were at least a partial exception, particularly in the case of Dame Anne Godwin, with whom Marsh communicated independently. Her involvement dated back well before World War Two, and to the formerly independent Association of Women Clerks and Secretaries.

In addition to union officials, Arthur Marsh corresponded with others who had relevant insights - Lord Citrine and Lionel Murray of the TUC, Dame Margaret Cole on the Guild Socialism issue, officials of other unions including the National Union of Mineworkers and USDAW, and fellow academics, notably John Saville, Ben Roberts, and Eric Wigham.

Correspondence with prospective publishers forms another category, from March 1976 onwards. Initially Basil Blackwell and Bachman & Turner were the firms in the frame, with the latter eventually selected. By November 1978, however, objections to the later chapters were beginning to appear within the union, and by July 1979 a head of steam had developed behind the idea that the postwar chapters should be done by another author. Marsh and Ryan reluctantly agreed to this, while insisting the copyright of the earlier chapters remained with them. In 1980 Robert Taylor, a journalist, was commissioned to write the last three chapters, and these were completed (but never used) in February 1984.

These events had serious contractual implications. In March 1980 Blackwell Press Ltd took over the publishing interest from Bachman & Turner, to safeguard the printing interest of its subsidiary, Billing & Sons. Arthur Marsh consulted his own solicitors and also the General Secretary of his own union, Laurie Sapper of the Association of University Teachers.

The correspondence gives some insight into the thoughts and motivations of the researchers and the union, although it is by no means clear why APEX took so long to make a final decision, and why that decision, in August 1987, was not to support publication, even of the revised work with Taylor's new chapters incorporated.

After the absorption of APEX into the GMB, Marsh raised the matter with John Edmonds, GMB's General Secretary. Some of the early correspondence with Edmonds seems to make it clear that the latter assumed the issue at stake was the treatment of the Grunwick dispute, and the risk of being sued for libel or defamation. Edmonds expresses surprise that the relevant chapter appears to him relatively uncontentious. Subsequently, however, after consultation within the union, he decides that he cannot support publication, which would mean a reversal of the decision of APEX's Executive Council.

To protect themselves, Marsh and Ryan, took legal advice in 1996 on the Grunwick issue. Their solicitors found there was nothing to justify any legal challenge, and on this basis they decided to publish under the Malthouse imprint.

Correspondence during 1996 also makes it clear that there was a substantial body of opinion within former members of the union that in blocking publication the Executive Council had behaved inappropriately and without justification, and that the real reasons did not lie in the Grunwick issue.

Leading lights in this campaign of support for publication were Lord Denis Howell, and a former Midland area official, Frank Leath, who at this stage provided a considerable amount of information for the biographical appendix published within the book.

Finally, one should mention correspondence which occurred after Arthur Marsh's death indicating the process by which this material came (with APEX's own archives) to the Working Class Movement Library.


Drafts and Proofs of 'The Clerks' by Arthur Marsh & Victoria Ryan


Bound Volume headed 'Clerks Union'

A red bound volume probably dating from the late1980s containing proof chapters by Marsh and Ryan and also the unused chapters supplied by Robert Taylor in 1984. Some chapters are annotated, and there were also subsequent amendments for the final publication, which brought the history up to the amalgamation of APEX within the GMB. The Taylor chapters are not in the public domain, and supply a detailed perspective on issues and events in the history of APEX during the 1970s and 1980s.

Contents

Marsh & Ryan chapters
1 The early years 1890-1914
2 The false dawn: the War and the guilds 1914-1921
3 The struggle for survival 1922-1940
4 Foundations for growth 1941-1956
5 Consolidation 1957-1970
Taylor chapters
6 In the seventies: growth, militancy and equal pay
7 In the seventies: the social contract, SAGA and industrial democracy
8 Grunwick
9 Battling in the eighties
'Last chapter' History of APEX
Marsh & Ryan chapters
6 White collar comes of age 1968-1978
7 Into the 1980s

Box files

File One

1) Proofs of Marsh and Ryan chapters accompanied by letter from Roy Grantham to Executive Council and National Officials dated 21 June 1979 stating "It does not seem to me this history does proper credit to the Union and I am pressing Arthur Marsh to write two more paragraphs [sic? 'chapters'?] on issues such as equal pay, pensions and other matters. However even so I think the tone of the book is unfavourable and I would like to discuss the matter with the Executive Council at its next meeting to see whether we should ask someone else to take over the writing of the second half of the history covering the post war years".

2) Typescripts of Marsh and Ryan chapters 1-7.

File Two

1) Revised version of Marsh and Ryan chapter 7, accompanied by letter from Vicky Ryan to Roy Grantham dated 24 Oct 1979, stating "I enclose the last chapter restructured in the light of the very helpful suggestions made by yourself and others, and greater emphasis has been given to the very individual role the Union has played in the trade union movement".

2) Copy of [EC?] Minute dated 1983 stating that Robert Taylor is continuing Arthur Marsh's draft and that the final draft will be available during 1984.

3) Drafts of Taylor chapters 6, 7, 9.

4) Letter dated 17 May 1984 from Grantham to Marsh accompanied by section of Taylor chapter 9, stating "I am enclosing herewith the pages of chapter ix on the finance of the Union, edited in order to improve them".

5) Copy of [EC?] minute dated 1984 stating "The Executive Council considered the revised history produced by Arthur Marsh and Robert Taylor against the background of the soaring costs of publication and the prospect of selling an adequate number, having regard to the future development of the Union. They decided not to pursue publication at present but to keep the draft history as a record for the future".

6) Folder of photographs collected but mostly not used in the final publication. Contains group and individual photos as well as records of important events - picketing at Grunwick, the BEA West London air terminal strike, the equal pay campaign at Salford Electrical Instruments (part of GEC), and the 'Buy British cars campaign'. It also contains a 1938 photo of the room provided by the Association of Women Clerks and Secretaries for unemployed members.

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